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 Well, is the picture above an accurate reflection of my own feelings? Lets delve into it. 
 
Good Things I have exerienced
 
First off, a lightening fast installation. I think it is an absolute fillip to be able to take a CD, or flash drive to a computer devoid of any operating system and literally have a working system in 15 minutes via the 'live' option. Even better, if the software is to your liking, around 1 hour later you can be fully installed. On numerous occasions I have had to wipe my computer system in the past. Getting Windows up and running again was pretty much a days work, especially when all my favourite applications would have to be downloaded and re-installed with the inevitable re-start between every application installation. Linux has cut those shackles free. If you know what you want, it's a simple matter of getting the operating system installed, then selecting all the applications which you want from the repositories. Sit back and get the kettle on. In the same way that Mac OS and Firefox found far simpler methods for completing day to day tasks, which once discovered leave the user slapping their forehead in disbelief that no one else thought of it before, Linux has pulled it's own trump card with it's sofware installation management. 
 
And here lies the big contradiction with Linux. 
 
Linux is considered to be, and in many ways is can be, a difficult 'geeky' operating system that you only know how to work properly if you got bullied at high school. My first impressions of Linux are quite the opposite. I feel that if you were the average home user, a lot of features would be much easier and safer than Windows. When installing software I was never once asked where on my harddrive I wished to put it, which I am explicitly anal about with Windows. Now, I haven't gone on a mission to find out where everything has been put, but I haven't stumbled across anything by chance either. The system side of things seems very hidden to me, with my minimal knowledge of Linux innards. On a personal note, I've managed to 'let go' of the strangle hold that I usually keep on Windows. I normally ruthlessly control what applications and background processes are allowed to run from start up. I'm never out of MS-Config, removing things which I've learned to be surplus to general usuage requirements. I brutally defragment, disk clean up, registry clean, registry defragment and install minimal/alternative drivers instead of the big clunky corporate editions (e.g. Real Alternative instead of Real Player). All this in an effort to keep Windows in check and not spralling into a giant resource monster. It seems to be that I've learned to do more complex house keeping in Windows than what I may ever have to do in Linux. The point to this ramble is that the average home user will have a faster, more efficient computing experience without having to learn all of the various house keeping tricks. 
 
With Linux, every now and again I check the 'Disk Usage Analyser' and find myself very, very surprised how compact everything is even after having a mad splurge on silly applications and add ons via the synaptic package manager. I don't bother going to hunt for background processes to kill because even on my Eeepc with it's little Atom processor and 1 gb of ram, general web browsing, document editing and email client duties perform faster than on my Windows XP system of 2.6 GHz dual core + 2 gig of ram. That is impressive. And also rather annoying.
 
As I have further investigated Linux, I have ended up venturing towards the terminal, and other more geeky areas. However, mainly this has been from looking up mis-information of what is required to run certain applications, ultimately doing things the hard way. Or rather, the prefered way of some Linux veterans. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the benefits and practicality of a Command Line interface, especially when using it for certain operatiions that should remain hidden to the majority of home users (there's a very good reason why Windows doesn't have an icon for 'Format C:\' in the start menu). However I found the terminal mostly redundant. I installed a *.rar extraction facility add on to the archive manager through the command line, but I think that was all that really needed doing!
 
The ready packaged applications are on the whole great. I have tried Ubuntu 64bit on my desktop (dual boot) and Ubuntu Netbook Remix and EEEBuntu on my netbook. Seeing Firefox and Open Office as standard is lovely. Rythmbox and Songbird really impressed me with their pre-loaded lists of internet radio stations. Last time I checked, Windows Media Player just isn't that open minded right out of the box. Transmission is a lovely 'all you need' torrent handler, and the bundle of games included has kept my girlfriend entertained nearly as much as Eastenders and Coronation Street.
 
The operating system multi-tasked well, booted up quickly, and was stable. I experienced a couple of system freezes during my time invovled in this project, however I'm not bothered about that so much because I was doing a lot prodding about with it. It identified all hardware I have and sourced the appropriate drivers. It even got the majority of the extra media buttons working on my keyboard. Most impressively of all, compared to Windows, was that it automatically got my USB ethernet dongle working right away. Windows required the driver disk. I had no problems whatsoever finding replacements to my usual Windows applications. All distros I tried readilly identified all cameras and mobile phones that I connected to it via USB.
 
Not so good things I have experienced
 
This will be a far shorter section. Only a few bug bears exist for me, and some are entirely unavoidable. Others are not even the concern of the Linux community but more of the rest of the computing world. 

Drivers. They are important things. I was chatting to a friend who was dual-booting Ubuntu on his gaming laptop. He said he was originally only running Ubuntu, running his PC games under WINE. In the end though he put Windows back on as he couldn't get the right drivers to support his graphics card in SLi. Now, this is not Linux's fault, nor Ubuntu's or the Linux communties fault. It is Nvidia's fault. Plain and simple. Similarly I am having to tolerate (and for a person like me, this is a challenge) rather poor sound playback quailty from my Creative sound card which I do not suffer in Windows. There is extra high frequency clipping and reduced dynamic range for whatever reason (and it's not an MP3 decoding issue). Creative do not provide Linux specific drivers. For hardware which is not so run of the mill, I feel it must be a greater challenge for drivers to be written in isolation from the manufacturer. A big tip of the hat and thank you to ATi however, who had a package for my graphics card that had almost the same full functionality as the Windows version, which would satisfy all but a dedicated gamer.
 
Another little bug bear was getting Flash media in webpages working. Trying to install flash will not work, unless you first install flash support from the add/remove programs client. I know that when Flash came along it was considered to an evil bandwith-hogging, spider-preventing monstrousity but with how prevelant it is across the web, I would have thought this would have been supported out of the box. Now, it's not much of a problem for me to take the steps to get it all working, but for your average home user, frustration would have kicked in at the point of downloading the flash installation application and finding that it does not work.
 
Similarly, I found the Ubuntu Restricted Extras to be a entirely essential package for everyday computing. Again, something to have straight out of the box I would have thought. I understand the FOSS philosophy, and that propriety or protected drivers and decoders don't really fit into the Linux world, but I really do feel that at the end of the day pragmatism needs to sit along side idealism. 
 
Of course, these missing packages are surely available right from installation in other distros. From my reading it seems Mint Linux has gone down that path far more readily. And I'm probably getting a bit too Windows-orientated here; Linux is not designed to replace Windows, nor do everything that it does. It is designed to do what is required of it by the people that use it. That of course leads to the double-edged sword of having multiple distrubitions of the operating system. However, I'm going to toe a line in the ground here, and say that the average person has certain expectations of computers in general. These include showing websites properly and playing MP3 files from the get-go.
 
Audio 
 
A big part of why I got roped into this experiment was to investigate the audio recording side of things. I have failed spectacularly in this respect, mainly due to a lack of time due to the work and education commitments of my real world life. So, I shall try my best to make an assessment based on what I've managed to expose my self to.
 
The most advanced and complete DAW for linux, by all accounts, seems to be Ardour. I'm not sure how well the computing world as a whole realisees what an audacious task it is to make a DAW, let alone a free, open source one. I read that the man at the helm of Ardour has lost backing from SSL and SAE, making the task bigger still. Despite this, Ardour is very impressive. It does away with a few standard conventions which takes a while to get familiar with. It certainly has an impressive bundle of features. Is it as good as the latest versions of Cubase and ProTools? I very much doubt it. I'm still fighting away with Ardour and JACK, and only just getting chance to follow up the very helpful links that were so kindly posted in response to my 'Ardour and Adversity' post. I do still intend to do a 'Linux/Adour' version of a demanding mix to compare with a 'Windows/Cubse4' version, so for me this project will run on longer than the month in order to satisfy certain quriousities, as I believe it also is for Blair. If I'm forced to make a judgement, I'd say Ardour is more than enough for a bit of hobbiest home recording. For a full professional recording studio setup I think it might not be quite there yet (however, as an amateur recording enthusiast I've got no right to make this assumption), although the flexibility of JACK and Ardour's sends and bussing system would be a boon. For someone somewhere between the two... which is probably where I am, the absence of plugins from the major players is a worry, as is the very 'pro audio' nature of JACK.
Stay tuned. I'll get those mixes done!
 
End Result 
 
Linux will remain on my netbook. It will be the operating system of choice for that hardware due to how quickly it works with the resources available to it. I won't miss the XP home edition which came with it in the slightest. The CD Key was on a printed sticker on the underside of the netbook, which has become obliterated due to the unit being handled. I don't care in the slightest. I have EEEBuntu on a flash drive should I have to purge the system, and I've learned how to set it up to get the features I like from the standard Ubuntu NBR distro. 

However, Ubuntu 64bit wil not be replacing XP Professional on my desktop. It shall remain on my hidden 80gb drive for general interest use and for compelting the audio investigation. However, there are a few really simple reasons why the main operating system will remain Windows.
 
1) Cubase 4. I invested a significant amount of money in this software. Running something like this under WINE isn't a preferred option for me. I have it set up and running sweet as a nut under XP, so I ain't going to mess about with it. Ardour is yet to convince me it can do everything i wish it to, as easily as I would like. Also the general audio play back issues I'm experiencing really put me off doing audio work under Linux. You can't mix audio properly if you aren't getting honest sounds out of your speakers. I'm sure others with different hardware will have better experiences. 
 
2) Games. Farcry 2, Fallout 3, Left for Dead, RaceDriver GRID. I don't see the point in messing about with WINE, when I have the operating system designed to run these already at my disposal. The ATi drivers for Linux also lack a little bit of functionality compared to the Windows ones which impacts on performance.
 
I have to throw in a caveat however.
 
If I did not use my desktop PC for the two (slightly) specialist roles of an Audio Recording Setup and Gaming system, then Windows would be gone in the blink of an eye. For general, everyday, non-specialist computing Linux is a breath of fresh air. This is mainly due to the open-source nature of the experience. As I read in an article that someone posted on the forums in the lead up to this whole thing starting; most people don't want to convert to Linux, they just don't want to have to use Windows. Escaping the rat race is the big attraction. There is a great feeling of freedom that comes with the GNU world. Instead of investing money in new software, you just invest the time to try it. You can discard it without the worry of money being wasted. It is a peaceful, relaxing computing haven, away from the madness of constant comercial advancement/exploitation. Also there is something undoubtedly cool (if you are that way inclinded) of stepping into an alternative computing world of recursive acronymns, fresh thinking and non-coroprate character which has produced a graphics package called 'GIMP' and a WIMP environment call 'Gnome'.
 
So if you're using your PC for pretty typical things, if ya got the balls, and if you are prepared to struggle with getting the occassional 'standard' function working properly throw away the Windows saftey net , go download a distro and a MD5 checker. Get stuck in.
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Re:Gineau pig #3 checks in
Jul 14 2009 14:49:55
While there may be no major party plugins, there is certainly a ton of plugins for ardour and audacity:

Audacity
Ardour

I see some ardour plugins in the Ubuntu repos too.

As for the rest of your article - you viewpoints were well thought out and articulated. Thank you for such a thorough review of what you have been doing.

A few notes: I believe Ubuntu does not put restricted extras on by default for legal reasons (dvd playback, etc), which only certain regions are legally allowed to use (I live in the US, so if I use it I get beaten with a stick). Corporations like Canonical have to watch over themselves more than repackages by smaller people like mint.

Not having to "babysit" the OS is a beautiful thing, and it always shocks me when I install linux on a computer how small it is (esp. compared to my work PC).

I personally still dual boot to Windows on rare occasions where I want a few specific games, but that is becoming rather rare. If Autocad would just go to linux (or a worthy competitor stood up), I'd be off Windows there in a heartbeat. Two computers got nailed with viruses this year in my small company (even with AV on), and it took me a day to restore them without a reformat.

Here's a question: If Ardour was equivalent to Cubase, would you use it instead? OR would you stay with the program you paid the money for?

Good luck. Try out Studio64 and let us know if that works out any better for you.
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Re:Gineau pig #3 checks in
Jul 15 2009 07:25:21
Getting sued for installing codecs is like getting arrested for smoking marijuana, it's probably not going to happen.

Getting sued for distributing codecs is like getting arrested for selling marijuana, it could easily happen.

Software patents are only valid in the USA and a few other countries, so making codecs available for you to download yourself is significantly less likely to get you sued.

That's why these codecs aren't distributed out-of-the box. Linux Mint is illegal in the USA, but they get away with it because it's not sponsored by any one person or company, so there's no one to sue. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical, and most of the developers are employed by Canonical, so it's very likely that Canonical would get sued out of existence for including these codecs out of the box.

Add to that the fact that approximately 800,000 companies all have competing patent claims over MPEG (including MP3,) and you've got a real legal nightmare.
#145
Re:Gineau pig #3 checks in
Jul 15 2009 07:31:53
To elaborate on my previous post, it's crap like this which is the reason why many distros choose not to include restricted software (Fedora doesn't make it available in its repositories period, you need to add third-party repos to get them in Fedora.) Even if the owner of the rights has given express permission, like Adobe has done with Flash, many of us (myself included) would prefer to see software patents and proprietary (closed source) software stamped out for good. In other words, we want it down in writing that no one will get sued for doing anything (instead of a halfhearted "cross my heart and hope to die, I won't sue you unless I really, really want to.")
#146
Re:Gineau pig #3 checks in
Jul 16 2009 08:26:57
Cryophallion wrote:

A few notes: I believe Ubuntu does not put restricted extras on by default for legal reasons (dvd playback, etc), which only certain regions are legally allowed to use (I live in the US, so if I use it I get beaten with a stick). Corporations like Canonical have to watch over themselves more than repackages by smaller people like mint.

...

Here's a question: If Ardour was equivalent to Cubase, would you use it instead? OR would you stay with the program you paid the money for?


That info about the restricted extras certainly makes things a lot clearer. Thank you for alleviating my ignorance a tad

As for switching to Ardour if it was everything I wanted... I think I would switch despite the money I've shelled out on Cubase. Even though the money has been invested, Cubase 4 which I purchased has already be surpassed by Cubase 5, and that'll cost me another £150 to upgrade too... it's that rat race that I'd like to avoid. So I think I would be rather keen.

I've found tons of plugins for Ardour... However, it's the same thing as the Ardour or Cubase/ProTools dilema... I've gotta really drill them and work them in real situations to check they are up to the task. Hence the planned experiement with doing the two mixes. Programming algorithms to emulate anologue outboard gear is no easy task. Even some bundles which cost a hefty bit of coin don't always do it that well.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback.

Daniel.
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Re:Gineau pig #3 checks in
Jul 17 2009 16:39:01
No worries about the restricted extras. It stinks that these thing even need to be thought about, but I guess everyone needs to make money somehow, just some things are more sleazy than others.

I'm impressed that you would be willing to make the switch - I know a number of people that couldn't. And Kudos for you for realizing how much these upgrades end up costing you. Mind you, I have no problem spending money for extra features and better software. But simply changing the UI a bit and adding minor features, isn't worth as much money as many are asking. Not to mention changing file types and restricted use as much as they can (Yes Autodesk, I'm looking at you with GenuineDWG and changing the dwg file type config every 3 years, so everyone is forced to upgrade every 3years).

No, here's an experiment for you that might interest you. It's the reason I first went to Linux in the first place, and brought me pretty far. I shot a video for my brother in law in an armory building, which means bad echo. Add to the fact that I had to shoot from the stage behind the speakers due to the way everything was laid out meant I had extremely bad audio. I looked for months to find a tool to remove some of the reverb, but I only found one, which is still in beta and hasn't been updated in a few years, but as far as I am concerned, it is magic. It is a program called Postfish created by Monty at Xiph.org (the guys who created OGG theora and Vorbis, so they know their stuff).

Here is how you can install it in Ubuntu at least, other distros may have different package managers and different package names. You will be compiling the software from source, which is easier than you think, and should take about 5-10 minutes to do:

1. sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion libgtk2.0-dev fftw3-dev

This install the tools to compile, subversion to get the files, and the gnome development packages and sound packages that are required.

2. mkdir ~/postfish
cd ~/postfish
Creates a folder named postfish in your home, then you go into it (remember tab will autocomplete when typing... I did it by accident while writing the cd)

3. svn co svn.xiph.org/trunk/postfish
This will download all the source files to your current directory (Which is postfish)

4. make
Watch all the pretty code compile. Don't worry, planning for problems is GOOD :^)

5. sudo make install
Watch the code quickly install

And now it's installed. It's a command line program, and it was never fully finished, so I'll walk you through the usage:

postfish random_file.wav > output_file.wav

That will import the wav file, and the generated audio will go to the output file. Ignore any wisdom error messages. (although I think this is the first time they have popped up, anyone know the cause? I am doing this as a VMware test since I already had it installed, and I needed to verify the dependencies)

Now we get to the gui. One thing I ran into once was that multi-channel audio had both channels going to each channel, so if the audio seems really loud, that must be it. Output shows speaker and output file, if you uncheck speaker it will work as fast as the cpu allows, otherwise it will go real time. The deverb is the tool I love, the interface for it should be pretty self explanatory. Remember to rewind the file to the beginning and replay when all the settings have been tuned so the entire file is correct.

Have fun, let me know what you think.
#148
Re:Gineau pig #3 checks in
Jul 23 2009 08:23:50
That was a very interesting review. Some excellent points - thanks
#150
Re:Gineau pig #3 checks in
Aug 05 2009 00:00:45
Hey Daniel, I hope things are going well.

Just saw this post on Slashdot: Goodbye Apple, Hello Music Production On Ubuntu and I thought of you. How are things going for you? I know you are busy with school, but I thought it would be good to see how things have developed for you.
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